How to Inspire Hearts One Podcast at a Time with Fitz DeSanto & Sam Boyer

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Learn how to start and grow a podcast! In this episode of Podcast Tactics, you will get podcasting tips and advice from a dynamic duo who launched a show that inspires people to live a fulfilling lifestyle.

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Episode recorded on March 31, 2021.

Music by Valence – Infinite [NCS Release]


James: In this episode of Podcast Tactics, you will get podcasting tips and advice from a dynamic duo who launched a show that inspires people to live a fulfilling lifestyle.

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I’m James, the host of Podcast Tactics. Thanks for listening.

Let’s get into it!

Joining me at the mic are Fitz the Santo and Sam Boyer from seal beach, California, Fitz and Sam. Welcome to the show. Thanks for coming.

Sam: Thank you for having us happy to be here. I’m

James: excited to talk with you guys. You guys are, uh, in one of the genres that I feel very passionate about as well, but I’m not going to steal the show.

This is about you guys. Please tell us what the name of your podcast is and what’s it all about?

Fitz: The name of our podcast is actually En Route to Success. So Sam and I shared the same passion on helping others through experiences in talented individuals. That we bring in to the actual podcast because we want to deliver positive light to our listeners that they can apply in their everyday lives.

We can help one person. If we’ve helped one person in our podcast, then we’ve done our duty. Right? So for me, the reason why our mantra is inspiring hearts, one podcast at a time is because we want to inspire and reach as many people as we can through positive lights on our past experiences and our talented individuals that we bring into the podcast and say, I’m, I’ll, I’ll let you.

Dive in more to that if you’d

Sam: like to add. Absolutely. I would love to elaborate. So, and to give a little perspective to this all stem from a lot of conversations that Fitz and I had prior to even starting the podcast. So, you know, this goes back to just a connection on LinkedIn originally to discussion back and forth to phone calls, zoom calls, and then understanding that we aligned on so many values and those discussions are what really.

Drove us toward thinking, well, if we’re getting so much from our discussions back and forth, why should we not share that with other people? And then also to extend on that to Fitz’s point, learn from others that we could bring into the show and gain and cultivate as we extract their knowledge, their insights.

And I think it really boils down to the three pillars that are, you know, in our, in our tagline people development and lifestyle. And those three things are so much of. What Fitz and I’s discussions were originally around. And that’s where we wanted to lean into with a lot of the discussions, the topics, the people that we’ve interviewed so far and that we plan to interview.

And it’s just been a really fun journey so far.

James: So let’s, let’s dive a little bit into that. Uh, Sam, I’m going to start with you. Where does that drive come from? That kind of drive to want to be inspired and to want to

Sam: inspire others. Yeah, I love the question, James and I will credit a lot of this too. I think my, my family, especially like my grandmother, she’s, she’s been a huge part of my life, uh, for the majority of it.

And. I’ve just always seen how generous she is with other human beings. And so she was the reason that I was able to, along with my parents play a sport or expensive like hockey, ice hockey is what I grew up playing. And so I’ve always felt that there’s ways to give back to people the way that she’s provided for me, it was along with my family too.

And so I think that stemmed into the personal development side of life and what I’ve learned and seeing how much. Impact can come from just a few conversations. So that drive for me has always been like in the future. I want to be able to work with, um, special needs kids, like my experience that I had volunteering in high school.

And so I definitely want to in the future have a nonprofit that can support different goals that I have envisioned for, or for how to help some of those individuals out. And so I think it’s all culminated and. Come together in terms of what I’m wanting from personal development and wanting to share that with others, because I know how beneficial it’s been for me

James: in Fitz.

How about you? Where does that

Sam: come from for you?

Fitz: Yeah, it’s a little similar to how Sam is. I grew up in the Philippine islands, so I’ve seen the poverty and I grew up, um, with my mom and my grandmother who spend our time. Really doing a lot of work for the poverty, poor kids, and also, um, homeless people.

So in a weekly basis, it’s we, we were, I grew up feeding the homeless shelters and these poor kids, and I see the value in helping to invest the generosity that you put in, in relates to helping others and how it makes you feel and how it comes back to you. And I’ve seen that through my whole entire life.

Now that I am in the U S I can see that. And I want to get back onto that. And on the professional side of it too, is that, um, whenever I think of a teacher that I really like that actual believe in me, I want it to be that type of model as well. By listening with people, just looking into our podcasts, we can make the same impact that, um, believe, and it inspired after they hit stop.

Then. Me and Sam are happy people.

Sam: Absolutely.

James: Tell me how you got, how did you guys get connected? You mentioned LinkedIn where you connected just through LinkedIn or were you colleagues? How did that happen?

Fitz: Yeah, you know, I’m in the business development and sales side and I was actually targeting Sam’s company that he works for.

So in LinkedIn and we kind of, I’m the kind of person that. I don’t just sell you things. And we all know how that email happened in LinkedIn. And that’s not my style. I actually like to get to know the person. So seminar kind of just went back and forth and it kind of just grew from there organically or.

How long have I known you? Sam? For what? Like a couple of years, two,

Sam: three years now at this point. Yeah. It’s been about at least two years now. Yeah. So

Fitz: it just flourished from there. I don’t know if you want to add more in Sam to that.

Sam: Yeah. Yeah. I think Fitz is actually, I always tease him. He’s like the master networker and relationship builders.

So I, this is all credit to him. I had just been active on LinkedIn. That was the only thing I did in terms of this. But if it’s reached out and we had to just. Really genuine discussion around like goals and what we wanted to do in life. And that’s what led us down the route of like understanding we had so many similar values and then we decided, Hey, why don’t we actually just connect on a zoom call, set that up and have the discussion there.

And then we just had a certain cadence around connecting. And honestly, I think both of us were just like, wow, like this is a good, like genuine friendship and a time where that was. Leading into the beginning of COVID when yes, everything was shut down. And we were like, well, why not build friendship? You know, in the modern way that we can.

And it led to all the, uh, the conversations around, oh, I’ve been kind of wanting to start a podcast. Oh really? You too. Okay. And then one thing leads to another and we decided to launch on a Christmas day of oh, wow. That’s right. That’s right. Very cool. Christmas day. Yes.

James: In terms of your podcasts, let’s circle back to that.

How does, what, what inspires is, are there any podcasts that inspired you guys or are you just kind of going in fresh, you know, just kind of I’m going in blank. Slate. How do your, how were you approaching the production of your podcast?

Fitz: Yeah, sure. For me, I’m a huge podcast listener and the way we approach it is that I pay really attention, not to just the interviewer, but also the guests and vice versa.

Um, but I love the podcast that we can take away something out of it. So in relates to how or how we can help others. So for me, I want to deliver the same feeling I get when I listen to my favorite podcast that I feel right after I stopped, because now I’m reflecting. And so that’s how I approach it. So every time, um, Sam and I focus on an episode, we want to make sure that we focus first on our why and what the intention and what’s the purpose of it and how we can deliver more light to others.

Sam: I’ve been listening to educational personal development, entrepreneurship business-related podcasts since June new year of college, sophomore, junior year. So I’ve always been intrigued by the, the personal development side of things. And so. I think, I haven’t really necessarily thought that we’re basing it off of any of the formats of other podcasts, but I know one entertaining podcast, I always appreciated in the length of conversation that can happen as Joe Rogan experience and how he’s able to be such a conversationalist.

And I think that, you know, our podcasts are nowhere near three, four or five hours long, but we’ve taken a similar approach to what it seems like you do to James’s. Just have a good discussion with people. And I think that really brings out the authenticity, the genuineness. So I think I’ve just kind of taken everything that I’ve come across so far and thought, how do we put our own spin on it?

And it just so happens that Fitz and I align on a lot of those things already. So we didn’t have to really do too much back and forth the formatting or how we go about the podcast. So you guys

James: launched December 20. 20 December 25th, 2020, which as of this recording is I’m gonna say three months ago. Um, what kind of challenges have you encountered at the beginning of your launch and how have you broken through them?

Fitz: Yeah. Um, I think we, we went in with blind eye, but also prepared at the same time. So we kind of found a balance of. What we actually needed, like the basic stuff. Like, we both have our own mic. That’s the same. We, you know, we kind of know the basic, but then I remember Sam and I on Christmas day, we’re in a working sessions for two, three hours.

Right. And we’re just kind of figuring things out, like, how do we do this? How do we edit this thing? So you kind of just, and we have to remind ourselves that, Hey, we’re trying to figure things out, but we’ve. We’re going to get better as we get through it. And, and I could say that what we know back on December, 2015 to now exp pans so much that right now, it’s just on, we have cadence in relates to would record a podcast would edit, would upload, but then it kind of just went on through taking a risk and making sure that, um, all those grounds are, are.

Covered. And it always comes back to, Hey, you know what? As long as our quality is good, we want our content out there because we want the people to listen to it. I’ll fast

Sam: forward to kind of where we are now. Something that’s come up recently. That is totally a blessing in its own way that we actually had a discussion about earlier.

If it’s an I did is keeping up with social media and like the growth that started to occur is, is really just a different, it’s a skill of its own how to be efficient and also. Build connections with people through social media, if you want to grow a community of listeners. And, and that alone has been a new experience for both of us.

I was doing a lot personally on LinkedIn prior to starting the podcast. And now we have several social media accounts to, to balance. And we were joking about looking at hiring an intern, you know, maybe in the future, which would be a good problem to have, but that’s been, that’s been something that’s come up recently and.

More on, I guess, a personal level. I think something Fitz and I both talked about too, was just getting past some of the potential judgment for like putting yourself out there, you know, and I’m sure you’ve felt this too, James. I, I think a lot of people that do podcasts or even interviews feel this way, that.

If you’re putting yourself out there, you know, there’s always that potential for judgment or what are people gonna say or how, you know, what feedback are you going to get? So getting past that has actually given me a lot of confidence in and some intangible successes, I would say. Yeah,

James: that’s okay. Yeah, I’m glad you went there.

Sam. That’s the perfect segue. I was going to say, let’s talk about successes. First of all, how do you define success for your podcast and what have you achieved? Yeah, yeah. Go for it.

Fitz: Fitz. It’s so fascinating and we feel very blessed and grateful every day. Sam and I, you know, like this guy and I almost talks every day because it’s either an issue or, well, most of it is, is the accomplishment.

Like, dude, look at this. Look at this platform and what we’ve done. So as of today, as we speak, we have more than 700 downloads in three months. Awesome. We’re also ratings in, in apple podcasts are 4.9 out of five stars. And, and I promise we didn’t pay anybody to do that. Um, and also, you know, we’re number 23 in Ireland, in Europe, under self-development.

So for us, that is such, you might not be a lot, but. When we begin to pod, when we started the podcast like Sam and I talked about it, what type of goal should we hit? Like, we had a number in our head for $5,000 in one year and already in 700. So for us, we feel very fortunate and blessed and it really shows how people respond.

And in that, it feels good to us that we’re sharing the light that we intention.

Sam: Yeah. And it’s funny, Fitz and I are usually on the same way they’ve linked. So he shared that with the first couple of points that I didn’t have jotted down, which is great. So I’ll, I’ll talk on, I guess, more of the, again, a personal win for me is I really felt a huge spike in my communication skills and.

The confidence and to articulate and elaborate in ways that I probably couldn’t have before. If, if you would have talked to me maybe six months ago, you know, I w first of all, if I even had a mic at the time, I’d probably be, you know, stuttering a little bit, or fumbling over my words, or maybe, you know, sweat that you do or do not see down the side of the face kind of thing.

But I feel so much more confident in. And also it’s helped in, in the professional space too, with everything, you know, now being remote and facilitating meetings online, as well as communicating with people over, over messages and building relationships and interpersonal relationships in my life. I feel like I have more fun things and cool things going on to talk about.

And I’m learning so much from this experience that everything feels fresh and energizing. So. Overall, it’s just really improved those skills. And also I think the quality of just the gratitude happiness in my life as well.

James: If it’s, how about you? I’m I’m curious about like on a personal level, how the podcast is functioned for you.

Fitz: Thank you. Um, for asking that, um, for me, I’m the same way with, with Sam. I mean, if you see us recording on our first day on Christmas day, we were very nervous and we were, so I would vibe in with what just Sam said with me in front of the camera. And being in front of the microphone have improved and the communication skills as well.

I am bilingual. So for me to articulate and also elaborate what I meant is actually uncomfortable right in front of the camera. And also I have to say personally, the podcasts keep us on our toes because I’m a huge. Believer of practice what you preach. So if we’re here, um, we have to be really true with ourselves and, and awareness for me that I have to be true to my own self, because if I want to make sure to spread the slight to the people, I have to actually practice what I preach.

So it kind of goes both ways, right? For me personally, in communication skills and being comfortable in front of a camera and light and also. It goes deeper than that, you know? Um, within me. So,

James: so I want to talk to you guys about how it is to co-host a podcast, I’m a solo podcaster, but I do interview. So like in a way you guys are my co-hosts, you know, or my guests are like, oh, I was, but one-on-one, and I do want to talk about some of the episodes that I listened to, but before I get into that, just how, how are you guys finding.

It is to be co-hosting with each other. Is it, I mean, I, this is kind of a loaded question because it’s leading into another question or more of a saver that I have, but tell me, so let’s start with you. How is it to co-host a show with Sam let’s let’s approach it from that direction.

Fitz: Yeah, I would preface it with a lot, a lot of communication before we start the podcasts we have.

Communication. Hey, do you want to host? And if I feel that Sam feels super strongly about our episode, that I could feel it through the screen, like, okay, like this is his thing, you know, so for me, for me, I’m like, Sam, did you want to host or, um, and vice versa. I think Sam and I aligned with our values that we like to be generous.

So it doesn’t which we’re really blessed because. It doesn’t affect our, um, friendship in a way who hosted and who didn’t in a way, it kind of flourish it more because we had that open communication, like, Hey, did you want to host this? Did you want to host that? And, um, You know, and vice versa. I feel that, to be honest, I feel that sometimes I talk so much that Sam was like, okay, I’ll wait, but he doesn’t get offended.

And, you know, but in a way it happens both ways. I’m kind of just like, okay, I’m going to back off because Sam is really passionate about this. So, um, We kind of have that understanding. What do you think? So help me out


Sam: this, this is what we do. We get to the end of a thought and then the other person kind of picks it up.

Well, um, I think mainly we have a lot of fun with it and I took full real estate or royalties on the whole intro of the podcast. So I always feel like any episode that isn’t. A guest of mine personally, or a topic that, you know, like Fitz said that I’m super passionate about. I actually prefer personally for Fitz to host because I’m a listener and that’s a skill that I’ve really worked on over the last couple of years.

And so. Listening to Fitz talk or bring something up, sparks more ideas is in my mind than I actually had written down or prepared beforehand. So I really enjoy when he hosts. And then when I host it’s more on me to facilitate that discussion instead of listening as much. So it’s two different skills, but I really enjoy both.

I just think that, you know, I like putting the pressure on, on Fitz. Yes. A little bit since I got all the intro. So, I mean,

James: That is the perfect segue into, and I’ve got to stop saying that that is the perfect segue. Perfect segue to talking about a couple of episodes that I listened to. Um, You know, I listened to your first episode, the trailer.

Well, what I’m calling the trailer. I think you guys actually called it episode one. It was why, why are you guys doing a podcast? And I’m not going to say no spoilers here. I mean, you guys set up perfectly the listener for what’s in store for your show, at least in terms of how you guys were envisioning it at that time.

Um, and then I listened to, it was not the most recent one, actually episode 14 gratitude, just to kind of get, you know, like a before and like what’s going on right now. And. The one thing that I really appreciate with your guys is energy is the comradery that you have. There is a level of synergy, um, that you guys have with each other.

You alluded to it just a moment ago, Sam, where you were like, or maybe Fitz at it. But you know, you guys bounce off of each other very nicely, and it is almost like you guys are writing the same wave and it’s this. It’s uh, it’s this almost perfect tandem of a conversation. When, when it’s the two of you guys, I haven’t listened to one of your interview episodes yet, so I’m looking forward to doing that.

Um, but yeah, I mean, just in terms of this, so this is where my loaded question comes in. You know, how was it to co-host because to me what comes across is it’s, it’s extremely natural. It seems like you guys get along very well. You guys are very communicative. Like I said, I didn’t listen to any of your interview episodes yet, but I am curious about how you’re approaching interview shows first.

How do you get guests? And. Um, how do you prepare for those it’s you should

Sam: feel this first and now this is like almost his job in a way, so I’ll let him,

Fitz: yeah. Um, so our main focus on. Our podcasts. When we bring a guest in our thought process is what is this individual has gone through. And also the inspiration that have brought us in that it’s really worth getting into the podcast to value, to bring value to our listeners.

So a lot of times, really in my network, whenever somebody made an impact in my life, I want to make sure that. They’re not just making an impact in my life, but also I want to bring this platform of our podcast to actually just share their story. And if they’re willing to write one of our episode comebacks with Kelly, Curtis is a really good friend of mine.

I was in fitness full-time before for a couple years, and I met her and she came from drug addiction and. Alcoholism that is now owned and founded her own fitness studio. So that type of success, we want to see that light on how she was able to get out of that. Um, darkness and find that light. And I think that’s so valuable too, to see the listeners.

So how we approach it for the most part is that it always comes back to our intention and our purpose. And then from there, Sam and I have this power, our meeting, and we wouldn’t be like, these are the questions we want. What else do we want to do? You know, what else do we want to? And then Sam and I, a lot of communication back and forth, we would have a zoom.

Um, work sessions and we would go back and forth and kind of just finalized. And of course we didn’t want it to be scripted. So we kind of unpack a lot of things like how you are doing it now as well. James. So Sam, I don’t know if you want a more elude more to it.

Sam: Definitely. No, everything you just shared was on point and.

The thought process that, that we definitely keep is what CA what value can we extract from this person and their specific journey, that’s going to help the most amount of people. So when we Fitz has a really great friend, Jennifer, who, you know, we interviewed about specifically anxiety because she’s in the, the field of therapy and yeah.

It’s it’s a topic that came up that we were like, oh, how could we talk about this? And we have an expert on this specific topic that can share light on that. And so we kind of shift our target of what the conversation is going to be based on what that person has expertise in. So that way. They’re getting the chance to speak about something they’re really knowledgeable on.

They’re most likely passionate on too. And we think that that’s going to create the most impact. So that’s kind of the focus on the conversation side. And then as far as I guess, bringing guests onto the show, we’re just starting with people we’ve built relationships with currently. And then we’re also doing the networking on LinkedIn, Instagram, Facebook, you know, how, how we all met and.

And just bringing those conversations in organically. So that way it’s a very friendly conversation, just like it is today, meeting good people like yourself, James. So it’s, it’s been fun and I’m sure that, you know, the methods might change as we learn and grow, but a lot of it’s come through personal relationships as well as the first line of social media interactions.

James: Well, the other thing that I appreciate about your guys’ show too, especially the way that the episodes are structured is it is extremely clear, the value to the listener that you’re, you know, you go in, you present the value to the listener. Hey, this is worth your time. You execute very nicely. And then at the end, you button it all up really nicely with the takeaway it’s, it’s so solid and it just, it really.

It makes me want to just keep going. And, and that’s, I think you were talking about you get that feeling at the end of listening to a podcast, you know, and, and you, you want to convey that and you want to have that in your show as a gift, kind of to the, your listener. You know, you, you guys are very successful with that.

Uh, with the episodes that I listened to, it was very satisfying on that level. Is there anything that you guys are doing now that you wish you were doing at the beginning of your, at the launch of your show?

Sam: Yeah, I think, and this is, this is something I think anyone that’s learning a new skill does is, is just being even more open and willing to be vulnerable.

I mean, we talk about that in the intro. That’s been the whole theme of our growth and development is how we could have leaned into that even quicker. But honestly, Growth and change and everything I’ve learned with personal development. Like that is how the journey is supposed to go, whatever timeframe it happens and that’s how it’s supposed to.

But I think if there was any way for myself included just to like open up more and more. Friendly and fun and not as nervous, but again, that’s part of the growth that made that initial challenge for me, very fulfilling to overcome. So I don’t know if I would change it, but definitely that would be something that I would have loved to lean into a lot quicker Fitz.


James: going to throw this next question to you. What is it that you want people to get out of your show? Why should they listen to your podcast?

Fitz: Absolutely. Um, for me, We wanted to, you know, if, if I ask a person. Who was your best teacher non-family related is what’s just a teacher that actually believe in you that you could actually do it on what you put your mind to it with your heart and soul.

For me personally, her name is Mrs. Vargas all the way from kindergarten, because she’s the one that convinced me to, you could do this. You could be in a Broadway play, go ahead and heat. And she believed in me if I could deliver the same value. For others, listening to our podcasts that I myself can do it too.

Then Sam and I have have done our duty.

Sam: And James, if you don’t mind, I’ll, I’ll expand a little bit on that too, is I think beyond just surface level motivation that deeper inspiration is. You know, as we, especially as we bring in guests from various different industries, fields, backgrounds, and divide, defining success, however they have, I think we just really want people in my mind.

I want them to feel like they have the tools and the resources they need to. Live, whatever successful life they envisioned for themselves, or to even work on discovering that. Cause some people haven’t even figured out what that might look like for them in, in having a purpose of what they’re doing. So that’s really where I feel all of us as human beings, as we discover that.

And one of the books that I’m reading currently, it talks about this is. That as we discover that purpose and fulfillment, it usually is the most fulfilling when it’s involving, helping and serving other human beings and people. And so if everyone can find some type of way that they’re doing that in their lives, I really do think as cliche as it sounds, we can make the world a better place because everyone will genuinely be more happy.

James: All right. So this question, I want both of you to answer and say, Sam, we’ll start with the S time. Let’s get into a time machine. And go a year or two down the road. What are your hopes for your podcast?

Sam: Wow, that’s a great question. Fitz. We probably need to talk about this. I have a little

Fitz: vision, but I mean, this is

Sam: James is asking it, but go ahead.

No, it’s a great question. So I would say obviously just continue the growth path that we’re on. So, you know, I don’t know what point it becomes exponential versus kind of the linear growth we’re seeing, but yeah. You know, I want to have a strong community around people that are actively expressing what they’ve learned, either from us in the discussions we’ve had or the guests that we’re having and people building relationships with each other as a result of that.

Um, so whatever form that looks like, whether it’s, you know, again, who knows what the state of the world with COVID and everything will be in at that point, but, you know, hopefully things are happening in person and we might be able to meet some of the people that are, you know, actually learning and listening to us.

Um, I just see that sense of community really growing, where we’ve actually meeting people in like, Hey, I was really inspired. I saw this change in my life because of. Episode, whatever with the whatever guest it was. And then they were able to improve their life because of that, that’s just like my personal view of it.

But now I’m curious, Mr. Fitz, the vision man.

Fitz: Um, no, for me, I see it as a large community, as big as it could be with the same vision that we have. And. Acting as a servant leadership to the community with us expanding our knowledge and bringing guests in, and also, um, have the same vision with these people that we all work with that could turn into whatever the case may be, a personal development or professional development when it comes to coaching under a different organization.

I think this partnership of Sam and I. You know, we can’t fake our camaraderie. Like we’re actually good friends outside of this podcast, you know? So for us, it has a lot to do with that because it’s something that, who you, who wouldn’t want to work with somebody that you enjoy working with. Right. So we always think about that.

And that’s my vision is that it’s going to be as big community as it can be with also. People that we work with that has the same vision and mission. So

James: Well Sam and Fitz, it’s been an absolute pleasure speaking with you. Please tell us where people can learn more about both of you as well as your podcast.

Fitz: Absolutely Sam, did you want to start with that?

Sam: Yeah, I’ll do the closure like I enjoy doing so as far as social media, you can find us at En Route to Success 365 on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, Tik TOK, and Pinterest, and individually at Fitz DeSanto or Sam Boyer on LinkedIn. And then at our actual email for our podcast is

And those are gonna be the best places. We’re very active on both Instagram and LinkedIn, and as well as the other platforms as, as we’ve interacted with you, James, and, and those are the best places to either support or interact and. Ask questions, build some relationships and I see Fitz leaning in. So I’ll let you share the rest of them.


Fitz: I was just going to say, oh, we’re all in all the audio platforms. So Spotify, apple podcasts, Amazon music, and we’re also in YouTube as well. So if the best way to. Connect to those platforms is through our Instagram because we do have a link there that connects you to all these other sound platforms.

But thank you for noticing Mr. Boyer,

James: the name of the show is in route to success. Bits and Sam, thanks again for your time, your wisdom in just your positivity. I wish you both the success in everything that you do, but especially

Sam: for your show.

Fitz: Thank you so much. It’s been such a pleasure,

Sam: James. Yeah. Thanks a lot, James. This has been a lot of fun.

I hope it was as much fun for you as it was for me. Maybe I’m the only one having fun. I don’t know, but absolutely it was a blast.

James: Thanks again to Fitz and Sam! Check the show notes for links to learn more about Fitz and Sam and their show En Route to Success. Please share what you got out of my conversation by leaving a review on

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