How to Podcast for Maximum Impact with Vera-Lee

Show Notes

In this episode of Podcast Tactics, you will learn how to create a podcast that makes a difference in people’s lives, in a very deep and meaningful way. Today’s guest understands the power of voice in the most profound way. I can’t wait for you to hear her story.

In today’s show, I had the honor of interviewing Vera-Lee an extraordinary podcaster from Australia. She shares an incredible story that leads to the creation of her show. In addition to this, you’ll want to listen in to hear Vera-Lee’s podcasting advice, including her powerful method for attracting audience listeners.

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Episode recorded on March 6, 2021.

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James: Welcome to Podcast Tactics. In this episode, you will learn how to create a podcast that makes a difference in people’s lives, in a very deep and meaningful way. Today’s guest understands the power of voice in the most profound way. I can’t wait for you to hear her story.

Hello, I’m James, the host and creator of Podcast Tactics. This is the show where you will learn how to podcast from other podcasters. I get you inside tips, tricks and advice for starting, launching and growing a successful podcast. In today’s show, I had the honor of interviewing Vera-Lee an extraordinary podcaster from Australia.

She shares an incredible story that leads to the creation of her show. In addition to this, you’ll want to listen in to hear Vera-Lee’s podcasting advice, including her powerful method for attracting audience listeners. Before we get into this episode, I invite you to please join the mailing list at to get news and notifications when new episodes are posted. Now let’s get into it.

 Joining me right now is author artists, speaker, and survivor Vera-Lee from Australia. Vera-Lee, thank you so much for joining me on the show.

Vera-Lee: Thank you so much for inviting me on today, James. And hopefully I can bring some value to your audience. I’m very honored to be a guest on your show.

James: Well, I’m excited to have you on. Let’s start from the beginning.

What is the name of your podcast? And what’s it all about?

Vera-Lee: Absolutely. I actually have two podcasts. The podcast that I’ll talk about today is the, “Why Me? With Vera-Lee” podcast series. And this is a series where I bring guests on to talk about their deep, dark challenging, “why me?” moments in their life. And what we do is we focus on the opportunities that people have discovered and stepped into through adversity. And so it’s about understanding and honoring those difficult times in their lives and then working out how they have focused on how to get through the adversity and make the most of their personal growth and how to continue that through community growth as well, with sharing their stories and their tips and tricks on how they’ve worked through that adversity.

James: An absolutely amazing show that you’re putting together. I mean, it’s, it’s impactful and it, it, um, there’s one of the reasons why I’m very excited to have you on, because it’s a show that makes a difference in people’s lives in a very, very deep and meaningful way. And I’m, I’m curious and forgive me if I’m prying, but what is the origins of this show?

Where does that come from for you?

Vera-Lee: Fantastic question. The, “Why Me?” podcast wasn’t actually in my sphere of consciousness until around August, 2020. What my experiences in life have been is an awful lot of adversity. And through each of the different types of adversity I’ve gone through, which included nearly dying 17 times.

I have one particular moment that I walk people through and it’s actually one of the moments I talk about in my trailer, where I had had a lifesaving treatment to paralyze one of my vocal chords to keep my airways open, to keep me breathing, to keep me alive. And this was due to a condition I have called vocal cord dysfunction.

And I, in that moment within 24 hours of having this life-saving treatment. My vocal chords had swollen so much that I was suffocating and dying. And I was in a car on my way to a rural town, nowhere near a hospital. And I was dying the virtually dying in the car and I could feel my body shutting down. And this was not the first time that I had been suffocating.

However, this was the first time that I knew I had no reserves left to fight this. And so here I was in a car with my dad, supposed to be receiving this, this wonderful change that, you know, my airways were finally open and the opposite was happening and I was. I was asking for not the first time in my life.

I can tell you why me, why was this happening to me? I felt like I was a good person. I was trying to do my best in the world. I had survived up until that point 16 near death experiences. And here I was when I was supposed to be at the best moment of my life, actually in the worst condition of my life.

And so I was put into an induced coma. Which was a very, very risky procedure to do for somebody in my physical state for many different reasons. And I allowed them to make that decision for me because I knew that I could no longer fight this on my own, and I needed that extra help. And so when I woke up from that coma, I discovered that was a coma I was never meant to survive. Really nobody expected that I could have, and it really was a last resort to try and keep me here on this earth. And so for me, when I woke up. And I saw the blue of the sky and I saw how deep that blue was and how that spoke into my soul. When I saw the green of the trees and have vibrant, that made me feel on the inside.

When I immersed myself in the warmth of the sun and the comfort that I felt from that experience, I’d never felt comfort to that level before. I realized that nothing in the world had changed. Except for my perspective that I was here, I was given a second chance and I knew that I had so much to offer the world.

That was the last time I asked myself “why me?” from that victim mindset. And that was when I came up with the concept of the, “Why Me? Movement”, helping other people through sharing our stories, all of our stories of overcoming the  deep difficult challenges in our lives and sharing the tips and tricks.

And so that is where the “Why Me? Movement” was born. And yet, because of my condition because of my life and where I was at and just trying to survive and get through and be a single mum at the same time and raise a child or do all these different things, I wasn’t actually able to put the movement into action publicly for quite some time.

And so last year in around April, I decided it was time to be public. I decided it was time to let this movement unleash into the world and to allow people the opportunity to be part of this significant movement, to help themselves and each other, to, to learn their ways that we can. See opportunity within adversity and the podcast was a naturally, a natural extension of how to do that and allow people to come on and share their stories.

James: I mean, that is absolutely… this is an understatement, that is an absolutely incredible story. You know, the fact that it stems from your vocal chords and you’re doing a podcast is there’s some poetic meaning in there that I can’t do justice to either. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I mean, that is absolutely inspiring.

Um, and the, the, you said it a couple of times, uh, finding the opportunity, finding the opportunity in the adversity is so, so powerful. I mean, to go through, I believe you said 17 near-death experiences and to come out the other side of that and say, okay, I am not going to be a pessimist or I’m not going to complain or, you know, like to look at the opportunity and see the actual beauty in the world to continue to, I don’t want to say fight because you, you, you transformed it and you’re just looking at the possibility, right?

Vera-Lee: Yeah, look, I did transform it, but I, I do need to say, I do honor the fight. There is definitely a fight there, and there are days that I wake up now that I struggle because I still have this respiratory condition. And I would like to add you very poignantly said there, you know, this interesting concept that here I am using my voice in a podcast to communicate such a powerful and inspiring message with other people. I include other people in this. My guests are as much a part of this movement as I am. What happened when I woke up from that coma, I couldn’t speak for two years.  Because my vocal cords were paralyzed and that was the point of that procedure was to paralyze it so that my airway would stay open.

And so continuing those treatments, and yes, I had to go back and have more of that same treatment, even knowing what had happened. That was a fight for me. You know, I, all of a sudden was in this world and I knew I had so much to say, I knew that I could be the catalyst for other people to be sharing the power of their stories.

And yet I had no voice. It was like, how is this going to happen? You know? And yet here we are. And, and I do understand the power of voice. I do understand the resonance of, of those vibrations and, and I encourage people when you are listening to podcasts. Turn the volume up a little bit, run it through a good speaker system.

If you have one to really feel those vibrations, there is such power in the human voice and the cadence of how we use our voices. Hmm.

James: You know, it’s just, it’s, it’s giving me chills to hear your voice right now. Just kind of, you know, knowing that backstory of yours and, you know, your voice is very, it’s beautiful.

Um, You know, usually I ask people at this point in the show, what types of challenges that you run into with podcasting? I mean, I do want to know, but I just want to acknowledge the fact that it seems almost silly to ask you this question on the back of such a powerful story, but I do want to know because you are putting together a podcast and…

You’re human. So what kind of challenges have you ran into with putting your podcast together and how have you broken through them?

Vera-Lee: Yeah. Well, the very first challenge I had was, well, I’ve got this idea. I want to do this podcast. How do I do it? What equipment do I need? How do I go about getting the podcast out there on different platforms?

I’d been a consumer of podcasts for a very long time. He didn’t have the first clue about how to set one up, how to record it, how to distribute it, all of those things. So the first thing I did was I went and sought out a teacher, a coach who would help me to learn those skills. And so I did become part of a podcasting group.

This was a paid group. I’m vested in the process. And for me, that was a really important thing because once you invest money into a process or your invest yourself, you invest that commitment. You do get so much more out of it because you don’t want to waste. That investment that you’ve put in. And so for me, that was the start of it.

I already knew the concept of what the show needed to be. I just needed to work out the how and the materials. And so luckily for me, I had a son who was, he actually, this microphone I’m using is technically his, we’ve done a bit of a swap because, because I bought another microphone and it really wasn’t great.

So I was like, Jared, can, I can use yours? I think I’ll sound. more like myself with his microphone and we tested it out and I’m like, yeah, this is now mine and the other one. So that’s all good. But yes, I, I got him to help me with that. I think the biggest challenge for me has been that, yes, I do still have health issues.

I am working through those every single day, in different ways. I work full time. So outside of my podcasting, I’m an office manager. So I’m out there working full time every single day. When I started the podcast, I was working from home. And so that afforded me a little extra time that I wouldn’t normally have to put this into action.

However, I didn’t realize what a phenomenon this was going to create. I didn’t realize, I mean, I knew the impact I wanted to create through this movement. I didn’t realize how much of an impact globally this was going to have. And so I had people lined up for months on end booking these schedules for interviews, and I was being a single parent to a child who was in his last year of school, we were both on home arrest because of COVID. So neither of us were allowed out. And that was because of protecting me, being in a high risk category with my medical conditions. We had, um, you know, I have my job. And so I was going through that. I was doing all of these things I was managing.

And on top of it, we did 55 interviews in a three month period. Now it took me about four and a half months to release them all. But it was a three month period. I had major surgery in there as well. And this is where my second podcast comes in called “What the Flab?” so I had weight loss surgery, um, to help me with, which was a longterm plan that we finally were able to get done during, um, last year in November.

And so, you know, I was going through all of this stuff, recovery, there was just so much going on and yet I was recording all of these interviews. Some of these interviews were going for three, four hours. Because when you get deep with people and people give you permission, or I give permission for people to be vulnerable and transparent, my goodness, the conversation just flows and there was so much good stuff in there.

And so a lot of conversations were going very long time. I wasn’t getting much sleep and I was heading towards burnout and I recognize that. And I said, you know what? As much as everyone wants this right now, I need to create a schedule that is going to work for me as well. I need to look after myself.

And I had a couple of weeks in there where I completely lost my voice, so I wasn’t even able to do recordings. And so they are some of the challenges that I’ve had on the way. And it’s still working through now.

James: Yeah that’s amazing. What I’m getting from that is striking a balance.

The surgery is one thing, but working on top of that and taking on so many interviews in such a compacted amount of time. I did notice that too… You, your catalog starts September, 2020, excuse me, September, 2020. And there is. A massive backlog of episodes in there.  I was going to ask you how that happened and you explained it.

And I was just amazed. You’re actually… All of my interviews today. I have three. Everybody started in September of 2020 this year or last year, and they all have these massive catalogs like it’s, and it’s totally random. These people that call, you know, that they have contacted me and book these interview.

All of all three of you guys are amazing. So yeah. Thank you for sharing the challenges.  I want to. I want to ask you about successes with your podcast. Can you share some of those? I mean, I’m imagining you’ve had quite a few.

Vera-Lee: Absolutely. Well, we’re currently sitting in the top two and a half percent of all podcasts, which I think is incredible for not even being six months old.

Um, and. That is a score from Listen Notes. We have at least 200 unique visitors every single week that are tuning in the downloads are growing. And the only reason I mentioned those things is that it, it is evidence of me that people are loving this content and the success for me personally, on a personal level, I’m getting to connect with some of the most amazing human beings that most of you will have never heard of.

And one of the things that somebody said to me right at the start was what celebrities you got to get on. And my approach at the start was. Well, at this point, I don’t want celebrities. And although I’ve always professed that everybody does, despite what status they hold in society. Everybody is first and foremost, a human being.

And I connect to people on that level. It doesn’t matter what title they hold. I connect to somebody as to who they are. And yet I was very conscious of not going for the big names, not going for, I want this person right up front because my audience are predominantly ordinary people as I am, as you are, we are all ordinary people and it is what we do with our lives that makes us extraordinary. And so the focus on having everyday people come onto the show, talking about their adversity and how they’ve worked through and become extraordinary in simply sharing and being who they are. That was what I really wanted the focus to be on. And for me, I have met just some of the most incredible people through this experience.

And as the podcast grows, everybody else who is sharing and, and saying, “Hey, you know, I’ve heard this podcast from Vera-Lee. I think you would really like it.” Everybody’s getting so much out of it. And the three pillars that we focus on is the I.C.E. acronym. We focus on inspiration. We focus on connection so that people know they’re not alone.

Although everyone’s unique experiences are their own. We have so many commonalities through adversity that we go through in life, and we focus on empowering people and with my guests, sharing their stories. These are the three things that my audience always has on offer to accept if they’re willing. To want to accept that and take on board those tips and tricks that they hear in these interviews and, and feel that connection like I do with the guests.

James: I’ve never heard that acronym before the “I.C.E.”. I love that I’m stealing it.

What is one piece of advice that you would give somebody who is thinking about starting a podcast or, you know, they’re, they’re new to it. And they’re just kind of trying to find their way around this wonderful thing that we do.

Vera-Lee: Um, be authentically you. Your vision, what you want to put out to the world.

If your podcast is focused on what your vision and passion is, then you will succeed because you will make it succeed. You will be invested again. I use that word because investing in ourselves is important to be able to then invest in other people and allow them to invest in you. And so being authentically you is the one piece of advice I give people and I, to be honest, I was given advice by lots of different people. When I said, “Hey, I’m starting this podcast.” And they would tell me ways to interview. They would tell me ways to be, they would tell me things to focus on. And apart from that group that I did invest in which I found fabulous in every possible way, because they gave me the permission to do it the way I wanted to.

I certainly found that sticking true to what I wanted. And I knew that I could do, I’m not a trained journalist. I’m not a trained interviewer. And yet being me that has been the key to the success of both the movement and the podcast itself. And that is what people are responding to, both my guests and the listeners.

And so again, I understand what it is to be stepping into your authentic. Space and how that helps you to stay true to what it is that you want to do. And then this is why people will come to find you when they understand that what you are giving is uniquely you.

James: That’s gold thank you.

Vera-Lee: You’re welcome.

James: So let’s talk a little bit about, well, before actually we start talking about the episode that I listened to. I did, I, I went deep into your back catalog. I actually went to the beginning. What caught my eye were the bonus episodes, or I think you called them the launch snippets.

Cause I’m kind of in that phase of my launch of my podcast, so I’m selfishly, looking at your catalog, going, what did she do? Right. And I am, I’m just going to say I’m ripping off the idea of the launch snippets.  Just little bonus episodes, few minutes long. That was such a great thing. It gave your listeners, your audience, a really good flavor of  what’s coming up.

Which is fantastic because it really did set your audience up for, yeah. This is impactful and meaningful. Did that come from the group? Did you. Just kind of stumble on that, on your own. Go ahead.

Yeah, that was, that was definitely part of that training that I invested in. And so, you know, I openly talk about that training because for me, I’m totally honest.

I had no idea where to go, how to do this. And although I’d been consuming podcasts, I wasn’t in the space and I didn’t have the time personally to go and do all that research myself. And so I said, well, what’s the next best thing. I go and go see the people who do this day in, day out who have already created the blueprint.

And so that was one of their things. There was a whole lot more in the launch strategy and that was one part of it. And even that though, I did a little differently to how they taught it. They taught it that they would be probably a maximum six minutes. There was a certain formula to do it. And yet, uh, and I discussed this with them and this is why I love that particular training because we were on a zoom call a couple of times a week together with the trainers, with the rest of the people going through that training.

And so that we were all discussing the process as we were doing it. And I will encourage you to go out and listen to that trailer, James, because. When you hear this story and then you listen to the trailer, you’ll understand. With my launch episodes. I didn’t feel that I could honor my guest stories by sticking to that formula.

And so I created that 10, 11 minute snippets as my bonuses. And, I didn’t again, do it quite in the way that they said, but I did it the way that worked for both my guests and my story and my feel of my show in the same line of thinking. A podcast trailer is often usually between one and a half to maybe two and a half minutes.

So you keep them quite short so that people can hear it really quickly get the feel of what your podcast is about. For me. I knew that at the. Basis of everything that the movement was based on everything and reason why the podcast came to life at all was to do with my adversities and specifically my breathing and specifically the fact that I still have a voice.

The fact that I have lived in that, “Why Me?” for so many years through all of my adversities and the moment that changed everything. The moment where I stopped asking that question, “Why me?” and I started declaring this is “Why me!” and I was a little hesitant to add my breathing onto that trailer, because I know how confronting it is for people who haven’t lived it personally, how confronting it is to witness or hear somebody struggling to breathe.

And yet. I had a discussion with my group. I played them the voice memo, which I recorded on my phone of me breathing one night. And that was, that was recorded in September, 2020. This is not like when I was in that car and this is not like when I was at my worst, this is an everyday thing for me.

Breathing at night is not easy. And so I played it for them and I had given them preamble. I said, look, you know, I’m not sure I don’t want to turn people off. I don’t want them to hear the trailer and go, “Oh my gosh, I can’t hear that, that that’s triggered me.” And they all heard it and unanimously said, “Vera this is your story.” This is what everything is about. You need to put it in. And so I trusted them and I trusted myself and it’s in the trailer and I do encourage everyone to go and have a listen because it really is very powerful, but it sets the scene and it explains to people why I started the podcast, why I started the movement and how it is that I do what I do, how I hold the space for my guests.

And then the feeling generally of what it is that people get out of the Vera-Lee Experience.

I did listen to an episode of your show. It was the “Child Sexual Abuse – Stories from Every Perspective – with Debbie Covalt Lakin” I believe is how you pronounce her name. Yeah, I mean, incredible story, incredible interview.

I’m not going to give any spoilers about it. It’s all, you know, all of your, all of your episodes, I’m sure are just as compelling as that one is. I do want to go back to the beginning of your catalog and just, binge listen. What I do want to ask you about is two things. One, how do you get guests? Two, how do you prepare for your interviews?

Vera-Lee: Hmm, very good questions. How do I get guests? Through connection. So on Facebook, when I started, there’s a few podcasts groups that you can go in, which are, you know, podcasters seeking guests or wanting to be speakers on other podcasts. And I would read people’s posts and I would start to connect with them first for me, it’s about the connection.

So if I connected to their story, if they were sharing something that was very deep and meaningful to them, that fit, you know, the adversity and, and how they’ve made something of the adversity, how they’re helping themselves and helping other people through those experiences, then I would initiate connection and we’d look to set up an interview from there. These days I probably get more people from Poddit and Clubhouse than anything else. And Clubhouse for me has been an amazing platform. It is a platform a lot of podcasters are on. Because I work full-time, I’m not on there as often as I would like. But I’ve made some amazing connections, and, and in fact, the last four guests that I’ve interviewed just over this weekend have been all from Clubhouse. It gives you that opportunity again, to connect with people. And it’s a little more direct than messaging because you’re instantly talking to somebody in real time. So that’s how I find my guests.

Now I’m finding guests are finding me. So I have a lot of people that have heard the show, being recommended by other guests. And, and I also always ask my guests who come on. Is there someone that you recommend having gone through the experience of being interviewed by me? Do you have somebody that you would recommend that would be a good fit for this show?

So they’re the ways that I find guests. The second question was “How do I prepare for these interviews?” Possibly differently to a lot of other people. So I now do pre-pod chats and that is so that I can connect to the guest over Zoom so I can look at them. I can speak to them directly and I can give them the format of the show, but more in, I can talk to them about what it is that we focus on the show, because for me, it’s very important for everybody as in myself and my guests to be on the same page about the values that we’re bringing in the audience. And that’s how we keep the consistency of the show. That’s why the message is being shared is so powerful because we’re all working towards a common goal. We’re all working towards seeing and communicating those opportunities again, in, in the university and the way that we think about life and the way that we approach the choices that we make.

I try not to have too much information about my guests and I do a lot of research. Absolutely. I write all of my own intros. I do a lot of research into who they are as a person, what they stand for, what good work they’re doing, but into their “Why Me? Moment” and their story, I try not to know too much information about that.

And I’ll explain why, because when I am interviewing my guest, I want to be experiencing that for the first time. I want this to be the first time that I’ve really connected to that story, to them in that space, to those feelings. And this is what gets communicated through the interviews and that way I’m authentically reacting to my guest, my guest is authentically reacting to me. I prepare certain questions at the start so that my guests can get, get a little bit of a warmup to who their guest is. Sorry, my audience, so that my audience can get a little bit of a warm up and feel a little more connected to my guests before we drop into those deep moments.

But after that, The conversation flows. I do not prepare questions for the actual interview itself. I simply listen, react authentically, allow my audience to do the same and to be part of that discovery and exploration as I go. And then I will ask questions either from what I want to know or what I know that my audience will want to know from my guests.

And so the conversation just flows and that’s the way that works for me and the guests as well. 

James: What is it that you want people to get out of your show? Why should they listen to your podcast?

Vera-Lee: Yeah, to feel inspired, to feel hope, to know that no matter how dark life gets. And I have had guests on there talking about wanting to jump off cliffs and commit suicide.

I have had people go through the most intense moments of grief. I have had people on there that have just been through so much adversity that it’s difficult to imagine and understand what that would be like. And yet every single one of them has found something to be heartful for some way, to get themselves back on to this experience that we call life, to jump back into the journey, to understand the perspective that that even though each of our experiences are uniquely our own, that we do have a commonality here that we can support each other to get through these difficult times.

And so that’s where the inspiration comes from from sharing those stories. And I’ve always said for very, very long time ago, that everybody has a story. If we’re willing to listen. And I provide that space where I’m willing to listen, and I invite my audience to do this. The connection comes from being able to experience that discovery of our guest’s stories.

To know that they’re not alone in this world. And to know that things are possible, even if you can’t see it in the moment. So we talk a lot about working in and through adversity. The through part is really important because we don’t always get to see the value that we can in hindsight, when we’re in the thick of those moments.

And the empowerment comes from the tips and tricks that my guests will drop about how they’ve gotten through their adversity and that my audience can pick up on those. And I’m basically, it’s an invitation to say, “Hey, if this worked for you, maybe next time I’m in that situation, it’ll work for me too.”

James: Let’s hop into a time machine. It’s time, machine time. Your show is less than a year old. I mean, I think it’s verging on six months, ish, let’s go a year or two down the road. What are your hopes for your podcast?

Vera-Lee: To continue on the path that we’re currently on producing more material.

And I personally would like to be on more stages. And so I’m, as I’m doing with you, James, I’m getting onto other podcasts so that I can share the importance of this movement and the message so that these stories can be honored and you know, I’m not limiting myself. And so I do see a bigger vision for the podcast.

Yes, it has only started. Yes, it’s already doing extremely well. I only see it growing more and more, and that more people will step into this movement and feel a part of it and be actively involved in helping the rest of the world. And this is a global movement and this is what I’ve loved about the podcasting.

I am in so many different countries right now. If anyone had asked me even. I’d say eight, eight months ago. It wasn’t even on my radar. I wasn’t considering doing this and yet I’ve rolled with it. You know, I was like, this is an opportunity I’m going with it. This works. This makes sense to me. And so I just see it growing and growing and again, getting into more people’s ears, more people’s hearts and providing them what they need out of the shower and the same for my other podcast “What the Flab?”.

It’s again, it’s all about, well that one’s specifically on weight loss for them without surgery. But again, it’s all about connection. It’s all about giving people the tools that they want and need to get through life in the best way possible for them.

James: You know, my next question, I, um, this is a, a. canned question that I like to ask, and I know how you feel about celebrities.

So normally I say, is there a celebrity or a famous person that you would be floored to hear that they are listening to your show? But let me phrase it like this for you. Is there somebody of significance or, you know, somebody that’s more significant than us, I guess that you’d be like, wow. Okay. That’s cool.

They’re listening to my show. I’m I’m flattered.

Vera-Lee: I’m okay with the way you phrased it both ways. Um, I spoke to my dad and I asked my dad to come on the show and he hasn’t done it yet only because there’s, they’ve been away and there’s been all these other things going on. He’s been extremely influential person to me in so many aspects of my life.

And so has my mom. And I think the reason I chose my dad is because so many things that I talk about on the show relate to specific situations experiences and things that I have had happened with my dad. At the same time, there are celebrities that I would love to know are listening to my show would love to come on for a guest or to have me out as a guest on their show.

I’m talking about people that I resonate with personally, and we all have role models, right? So for me, people like Simon Sinek, Brendon Burchard, Dean Graziosi these are people that have shaped my own personal development and there are plenty, plenty more. I would love to have those people on first and foremost as a human being status aside.

So I still stick that status would be irrelevant to me from that point of view. It’s because I value the contribution they give to the world as a human being.

James: Vera-Lee, please tell us where people can learn more about you and your podcast.

Vera-Lee: Absolutely. So I’m on social media at “VeraLeeOriginal” LinkedIn, Instagram, Facebook they’re the main ones. Clubhouse again, “VeraLeeOriginal” or I’m also known as “Why Me Girl” there and we have a  website under development at the moment, which will be out in the next couple of weeks at

James: I will definitely get all of that information for you to put into our show notes for this episode, so that people have easy access to all of that, and they can get in touch with you and follow you. Vera-Lee, I want to keep in touch. I want to catch up with you six months down the road, please. I want to make this happen. I want to see where you’re at. If you have time for an interview with me, I would love to make that happen again, just so we can share again and we can get into more into this.

It’s been an absolute pleasure. I feel like I can keep going with you. I’m a fan boy, you know, I’m gushing here.

Vera-Lee: I can see that James. Oh, definitely. The funny thing is the audience on the podcast. Won’t see your reaction here, but I can see that. And I say, thank you. It does mean a lot to me and every single person who listens on the show podcaster or not. It’s important to me that what we’re doing makes an impact and I’ll absolutely make the time to come back on your show in six months.

Absolutely. Thank you so much.

James: I mean, I feel so honored to be a part of your story or at least a little, little bit of it, you know, and, and I feel honored to help in some way to spread that, that message and that impact that you’re having on the world. It’s a, it’s a really is an honor. And I feel like this is the power of the medium of podcasting.

What you’re up to is the possibility that can be put out in the world through this medium. So thank you for doing what you do, because it makes a difference.

Vera-Lee: You’re welcome. Thank you for acknowledging that.

James: The name of the show is “Why Me? with Vera-Lee”. Vera-Lee, I can’t thank you enough for coming on and spending just a few moments to have a chat with me.

It means so much to me.

Vera-Lee: Thank you, James. And the honor is reciprocated. I did mean what I said when I said, thank you so much for having me on, I am honored to be on your stage. I appreciate what you’re doing and what you’re bringing your audience and sharing is caring for anybody who is listening on your audience.

I encourage them. If they’re getting benefit out of your show, which they will be to share that with their friends, because when we share that is how we, again, further connect with other people. So start that conversation and then give it the space to continue

James: Vera-Lee thanks again. We’ll talk soon.

Vera-Lee: Thanks James.

James: Thanks again to Vera-Lee. It was such an honor speaking with her. Amazing story, amazing podcast, and really great advice. Please do check the show notes to learn more about her and her impactful podcast.

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